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The SAGA of a 56 T/H

1/21/2020

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Part 3: Dragnet

N.E.
For those of us that remember B&W TV, "B" Westerns, and were raised on a visual diet of clear-cut good and evil as white hats and black hats, the name 'Dragnet' will always recall Det. Sgt. Joe Friday.
And badge # 714 will always mean dedication to the truth and unswerving loyalty to the Law.
Among its most famous phrases:
"All we want are the facts, Ma'am"
In honor of such a simple, unswerving, and devoted to service attitude, we decided to title this entry.
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Take it away, Steve!
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​As promised, I wanted to provide you with more in depth detail and comparisons between the two power plants that were used in the recent Harmonic Tuner testing.  

I mentioned in that write-up that after recrowning the barrel on my 56TH, Hector completely assembled my barreled action with some of his own components and returned to me for  testing.  It arrived with one of Hector's Short Stroked HMO powerplants, a tuned T06 trigger and the most beautifully detailed Diana 54 stocks I have ever seen! He went all out on this set up provided to me for testing.

We have already seen the rifle in action during the Harmonic Tuner testing.  Now lets turn our attention to the powerplants,  beginning with the Short Stroke HMO set-up.

28mm x 76mm HMO Short Stroke

The set-up as provided to me included everything you see pictured below;

Compression Tube with Reinforced Breech Seal
HMO piston
Main Spring with dual guides
Cocking Handle with modified fulcrum and linkage extension

It was set up for my requested energy level (11.2 to 11.4 fpe range)
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​The HMO piston is a work of art with an o-ring main seal, nylon top cap, and a rear guide that is nicely machined to ride solidly inside the action, an improvement to the flared out piston skirt on factory pistons. 

You can also see the dual spring guide set-up.  This includes a conventional guide that inserts into the main spring, and an outer guide that surrounds the spring.
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​Looking at the Transfer Port you can see the seal has a center reinforcement collar measuring approximately 3mm ID.
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Going back to the piston, notice the extended piston rod.  This is where the shortened stroke comes from.
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​The piston weighs in at about 317 grams.
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​Inside the outer spring guide are the preload spacers, one of which appears to be a softer compound anti-bounce washer.  It is the blue washer in the picture below.
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​I mentioned the "Modified Fulcrum" on the cocking handle.  Here is a close-up showing the re-positioned cocking linkage pin.
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​The linkage rod end is solidly supported with nylon washers on either side for a smooth cocking stroke.
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​To account for the relocated pivot point, the linkage rod has a threaded extension added.  In this picture you can see a factory linkage rod (bottom), alongside of the modified cocking linkage (top)
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​It is evident that Hector has done his homework on this set-up.  It is precise, consistent and was easily tuned on target using the harmonic Tuner.  The cocking stroke is extremely light and will have you questioning whether or not your are truly making over 11fpe.

After all testing was complete, I purchased this set-up from Hector.  It is well made, durable and easy to tune on target.  I was able to successfully tune to sub 3/16" c-t-c 5-shot groups across two series of tests at 32 yards.
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AGT 22mm x 96MM Skirtless

This set-up has been covered in much greater detail in a couple posts I have made on GTA and AGN, but I will give a quick overview;

This set-up consists of a factory Compression Tube sleeved down to 22mm.  The transfer port retains the factory 4.1mm ID.

The piston uses the factory piston rod, and has a dual seal piston affixed on the end.  The dual seals consist of a parachute seal and an o-ring main seal, and help reduce the effects of temperature changes on your velocities.  The piston also has two supporting guide bearings, with a special top hat that also functions as a third support bearing.

This is an exceptionally smooth powerplant and was producing groups as small as 1/4" c-t-c at 49 yards.  It is also very well made, solid and durable.  Adjusting preload can be done without a compressor.  I am able to compress the trigger assembly into place with one hand and insert the trigger block pins with the other hand.

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​This piston weighs in at 149.5 grams
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​In addition to the mechanical and dimensional comparisons, I also set up a test to measure the cocking effort for each set-up.  

This was accomplished by taping a Protractor above the Cocking Handle, centered directly over the pivot point.  The rubber grip cap was removed from the cocking handle and a slotted wooden block was inserted inside the end of the handle.  The block was supported by rubber sheeting, and had a groove in the center.  I then looped a wire tie around the handle, centered in the groove.  The rifle was supported firmly in a padded support and measurements were taken using a digital scale. 

The weight measurements were taken at specific locations in the cocking stroke, with the max reading being recorded just before the piston rod contacted the trigger mechanism.  Due to the differences in cocking stroke length across the power plants, the max readings were not the same as you can see in the chart below.

The pull point was centered right where you would place your hand when cocking the rifle and scale was kept inline with the direction of pull.

Here is the set-up for testing:
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Rather than explain the test results along with the mechanical differences between the powerplants......

​I decided to combine everything into a single chart for a simple visual comparison. See below:
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We are sure Sgt. Joe Friday would agree that we have provided all the facts.

I enjoyed this testing very much and hope you found the write-up both interesting and helpful.
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Steve
8 Comments
John
1/21/2020 14:47:50

Now that is interesting. I like the 15lb cocking effort of the short stroked version. You make it more difficult each year to not switch to springer Hector. Thank you for the work, and thank you Steve for the report.

John E

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Joshua
1/22/2020 03:55:53

I love you guys

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Hector Medina
1/22/2020 09:03:39

@ John: THAT is the idea, LOL!
Yes, 15 is good, but do notee that from the peak of 15, it drops to 11.
;-)
And wait till you read the efficiency calculations in Part 4!

@ Josh: Thanks for your kind words. Without readers the best blog entry is nothing but the noise of the tree that falls in a forest that no one hears.
:-)

Keep well and shoot straight!





HM

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dan house
1/22/2020 15:03:50

awesome write up!

Shows what some critical thinking and shop time can do to improve an already great gun

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dan house
1/22/2020 15:06:38

One question...

the latch end of the short storked psiton was shown... looks like some welding or machine work was done to add the extra length.

Or was that rod machined for the added length?

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Hector Medina
1/22/2020 16:49:21

Neither, Dan! LOL!

The dual diameter stem of the HMO piston is another of the characteristics that makes it extremely stable. It is a solid "Silver Steel" rod that has been machined in the rear end.
Then the end is tempered, and then drawn.

The part that enters the trigger block is thinner than the part that rides on the inside of the inside spring guide, so even with the small wobble/tolerances that are needed for things to slide at high speed, there is less chance for the button of the stem to snag against the trigger block and cause inconsistencies.

Yes there are marks on the buttons of when the hook of the T06 triggers lets the piston fly, but they are MARKEDLY reduced from the T05 and the T01 versions.

ORIGINALLY, the HMO pistons were offered in all the "T" versions, but after this improvement, they were ONLY offered for the T06.
That change was done 7 years ago.

Hope this clarifies the issue.

Keep well and shoot straight!






HM

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dan_house
2/4/2020 14:32:56

"The dual seals consist of a parachute seal and an o-ring main seal, and help reduce the effects of temperature changes on your velocities."

having reread this series, this ^^ popped out at me. So how does that setup help with temp changes?

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Steve Herr link
2/5/2020 11:36:16

Dan, I will quote Tony Leach on my response to your question "The front seal is sized to the point where it "just" seals at a temp of maybe 16C. It will work ok down to around 5 to 8C. Below that it will start to shrink and fail. This is the point where the O-ring takes over. Now, when the temperature get hotter outside, the front seal will swell..anything to around 0.15 oversize it will hardly affect velocity. Much larger than that and the added friction will begin to have an affect."

I have personally tested in extreme cold vs room temperature and did observe less velocity shifting as opposed to the single main seal design. So, it does help but it does not eliminate the affects of temperature change.


Hope this helps - Steve

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